Three to zero

The debates all went for Obama.

Even with his line “If you wanted to run against George Bush – you should have run four years ago” McCain lost. Maybe because with that line – he proved how moronic he really is. Which job did Barack Obama have four years ago? It is one of those wtf moments. It is a line that he tried to portray as a great line that will be played and re-played in future TV documentaries and elections.

But it will – but only for the reason showing that McCain is, and I hate to say this, worse than George Bush. I know that is an almost impossibility – but last night we saw why Bush beat McCain in 2000.

McCain got angry – as many of us said that he would – he is the guy you don’t hit you ball into his garden, he would throw it on the fire and watch you cry as he did it, just to teach you a lesson.

Was it just me who thought that he lost?


However, McCain’s message did not resonate with a majority of the debate watchers surveyed by CNN, who said Obama would better handle the financial crisis, 56 percent to 35 percent. The poll of 620 adult Americans had a sampling error of plus or minus 4 points.

I want McCain to keep getting angry – I want him to show full on what he would be like as US President – the people need to see it – and that could be in the next few weeks. He is in politics, he can take the humiliation. McCain has played the negative so that should come back to haunt him. McCain picked Palin – and that alone should have him in the lower 20% who favour him. That was the worst judgement call in political history to me.

She is and was a show-piece, something to get the interest back in the US Campaign, which she did.

She isn’t the only one who is mocked – McCain is, too. Not for being who he is, that is bad enough, but for his thought processes in picking such a dope!

There are so many reason to vote for a President Obama, and very few to vote for McCain. More over, as a citizen of another country – McCain would bring war and Obama would bring peace. May be there should be a place for non-US citizens to vote in the US presidential election.

All who are going to support Barack Obama – make sure you get out to vote, and if one of you could, while voting, think of me and say – “This is for you, Will!” I would really appreciate it!

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0 Responses to Three to zero

  1. jack says:

    thanks to john mcsame for being himself: old ,erratic,angry and pretty much sarah palin like!!!

  2. mariestacey says:

    Now Rhodes,
    You made a comment to me on someone else’s blog who is already so frightened of my responses that he’s blocked me from posting on his blog. Pretty pathetic, huh?

    Anyway, here you are in all your ignorance, and I must comment.

    The debates all went for Obama? People like you are so left-wing you’re actually sick. Real Americans are repulsed by people like you. Where do I begin on explaining why John McCain won the debate last night? Hm. Do you remember the question Shieffer asked: “Both campaigns have become negative, are there any aspects of these negative ads you would like to discuss with your opponent?” Something to that effect. Of course, John McCain brings everything out on the table from William Ayers (the domestic terrorist) to ACORN voter fraud to all of the misinformation the Obama campaign has been spewing about his Healthcare plan to many other various moronic things that Obama has done. Obama said nothing. Now let’s juxtapose the two. John McCain — An American War Hero and fighter. Barack Obama — A coward and terrorist-sympathizer.

    Next, your analysis of Joe the Plumber is literally pathetic. You know nothing about economics, small business, or individual citizens. Go socialize yourself, asshole. We don’t want you to have ANYTHING that we’ve worked for. And I’m not rich, don’t get yourself all worked up. But I sure as hell don’t want anyone like YOU benefiting from ANYONE that has actually worked in their life. Look at your pathetic blog. You must spend your entire life on the internet doing nothing productive but talking shit about John McCain. I really do despise people like you. And even though I know that you are also a coward like Obama (if you weren’t you would probably support the hero, not the zero) and I’m sure you won’t let this post stand in your ridiculous and extremely uneducated blog. I just want YOU to know that we’re out here. And we’re fucking pissed. And if people like YOU screw over the American public with your nonsense rhetoric about Marxism/Socialism/Communism, we will revolt. And it will be the worst time of your entire life. We’re serious. You are a joke. Get out of my damn country.

    Also, defense is spelled with an ‘s’ not a ‘c.’ You must be REALLY REALLY intelligent. You’re in Joe Biden’s league clearly. If you haven’t heard, Biden thinks that ‘jobs’ is a 3 letter word. I’m sure you agree.

  3. Will Rhodes says:

    Is it Marie or Stacy? By the way you post I would/could see you as being a Sarah – but…

    Me delete your post? Now why would I do such a thing? I only delete racist or hate speech – you post that and I will delete it, fair enough?

    The reason I allow you to post as you do – is a very simple, simple reason, people read what you post and make their own minds up.

    As you have said, get out of your country? Odd that – right at the very top of this blog it says “Englishman in Canada” now, given your limited intellect – I would have thought you could put together 2+2 and reached the correct 4, but obviously not.

    PS “Defence” in England and Canada is spelled correctly.

  4. mariestacey says:

    Oh you’re from Canada? It all makes sense now.

    Don’t ever come near my country, Canadian.

    And keep your opinions away from my Americans. We hate people like you.

    You don’t dictate to us how we will run our country. WE DECIDE. YOU have NOTHING to do with it.


  5. Will Rhodes says:

    I wonder if that shovel was specially built for you – “Englishman in Canada”, that, in itself, denotes a different connotation – but I did tell you that….

    Oh, dear.

  6. mariestacey says:

    Apparently I am unable to make a clear point without you misunderstanding it.

    Englishmen, Canadian, Martian: Stay the hell away from my country and stop trying to influence votes with your nonsensical rhetoric.

    Let me ask you a question: You bear no allegiance to my country, so why would you be any authority on how this country should be run? And moreover, why the hell do you spend all your time talking about my country when your country is already feeling the negative effects of socialist control?

    We’re Capitalists. We’re free. We’re Americans. And we love it.

    You like Barack Obama so much English Canadian? THEN YOU TAKE HIM!

  7. pp says:

    Mariestacey – did you forget to take your meds today???
    If you would like to attack me as well – go ahead, as I’m not American either – I’m Australian! BUT we also live in a democracy, which honours – in fact, protects under law – the right to freedom of speech. I thought that was also one of the basic rights of Americans? So why are you so threatened by someone having an alternate view? Do you have self-esteem issues? Using the privilege of free speech, I would like to respond to a few of your points:
    1. ‘Real Americans’ – what do you mean by this? Are you an example of a ‘real American’? With all your disrepect of others, swearing, arrogance, threatening language – thank you for illustrating for me just what a ‘real American’ is. Do you think other less ‘real’ Americans would be happy to use you as a role model? Must be ‘real Americans’ who like to visit other countries so much – a lot of them are arrogant too!

    2. ‘And it will be the worst time of your entire life. We’re serious’ Wow – you sure have read “How to win friends & influence people”. That’s what I like about ‘real Americans’. Anyone they don’t like, just whack ’em! Screw ’em! Get Sarah Palin to take a shot at ’em with her moose gun!

    3. ‘And keep your opinions away from my Americans. We hate people like you.You don’t dictate to us how we will run our country. WE DECIDE. YOU have NOTHING to do with it.’
    Is this like how you respect other countries’ sovereignity & keep your opinions about how other countries should live to yourselves? Oh, so what was Iraq all about? I seem to remember some holier-than-thou justification that you were bringing democacy to them! And they were so happy thet you didn’t keep ‘your opinion’ away from them! How many of them have been killed so far in the name of your opinion?
    Also, is Obama a coward because he is prepared to talk to countries instead of just blowing the shit out of ’em???

    4. ‘Where do I begin on explaining’
    Seeing you’re so keen to help correct Will’s English, I would really like to help you with yours. It should be ‘to explain’ although maybe that’s just ‘real ejicated American talk’ !
    PS ‘defence’ is actually the correct spelling if you use British, Canadian or Australian English! But hey, even at 3:1, America still HAS to be correct, obviously!)

    5. If Will’s blog is so pathetic, why are you here? Your hand accidently slip on the mouse? Maybe it just got a little sweaty from your previous rant to some other poor fool who also believed in freedom of speech!

    Thankfully Staceymarie, I have read enough blogs, and met enough Americans (and they seemed real to me!) to know that you are NOT representative of your fellow Americans. Thank God!

  8. SSG T says:

    God grant me the courage to change the things I can, the strength to accept the things I can’t and enough bulletts to shoot every idiot in the world!!!! GOOD GOD PEOPLE!!! ARE YOU SERIOUS???? First of all mariestacey, I am a true REAL AMERICAN. Not sure where you are from or what you background is but DAMN, BACK OFF!!! I disagree with just about everything I have read on this site and some of the things I try and post a different view on, that to me is the ENTIRE POINT OF THE SITE. I am not sure why a canadian is so worked up about American politics either unless it’s becasue the economy of the US directly affects the ENTIRE WORLD!!! I have said it before, Me and my brothers in arms faught for the freedom of speech so stop proving how ignorant you can be. I can assure you and everyone who reads this site, the day that America becomes a socialist country I will go underground. I will be in the mountians or some place far off of anyone’s radar. However, threats of violence on the internet isn’t that the meet me after class bullshit from elementary school? Will, you and I disagree on most things but for that blast I am sorry. I don’t know why you are hung up on our politics but it is an interesting site. PP: Well I gotta say that your post wasn’t as bad as mariestacy’s banter but come on. The Iraq thing, Funny how you blas the US for it when Australia had troops there too. But that was just a US war. And if anyone wants to check Iraq was in violation of numerous UN sanctions that were placed on them from the first Gulf War but that is an entirely different argument.

  9. pp says:

    SSG T – I accept your point totally that Australia was also in Iraq – although you don’t have to believe me, I was never in favour of it, as I’m sure many Americans also were not. I think when history has a good hindsight look at it, none of the countries involved will come out smelling roses, Australia included. Our PM, John Howard, was just so ready to ask ‘How high’ when Bush said ‘Jump’. And although weapons of mass destruction was a mantra, they also sold it to the public stongly on the ‘saviour of democracy’ plank!As you have had 8 years of Bush, we had over 10 years of Howard, and although our economy appears to be in reasonable shape, there are a lot of things that happened during his time in office which as an Australian I cannot feel proud about – human rights abuse being one.
    That is why such aggressive reaction by people like Satceymarie really gets to me.

  10. Yellowbird1 says:

    If the debate Wednesday had been just 20 minutes longer McCain probably wouldn’t have been able to contain himself and would have blew up at Obama. He looked like he was seething. I think a big part of McCain’s problem is that he never expected to be running against Obama. He thought it was going to be Hillary, to whom he may not have minded so much to lose. Do you think McCain would be seething and groaning in a debate with Hillary, who has practically the same policies as Obama? I doubt it.

    So why all the hate for Obama? Because Obama would not do the town hall thing with him? That is what McCain keeps crying about.. Why should Obama have done those meetings with him where McCain feels he shows his stuff the best? That proved not to be true either. Obviously the Obama camp changed its mind and decided not to do them. Obama didn’t have to cater to McCain. Slavery is over and they are running against each other. I know McCain doesn’t have a problem with someone changing their mind because he changed his mind about going on the Letterman show. Screwed up? Yeh, right. That’s why candidates have scheduling people.

  11. SSG T says:

    WHAT? Seriously WHAT? I mean, WHAT? Now you are throwing in some line about slavery. I would respond to the ignorance that was just displayed but that would put me on the same level and I can’t go that low. Who cares about Hillary. She isn’t running. To drag her into this only brings in her own words of how pathetic Obama is and how he has NO qualifications to be President so I don’t think we want to talk about her and the great savior Obama.

  12. Hannah Stevens says:

    We are now seeing the ( I don’t know what to call them) extreme right wing digging in their heels and voting for their candidate no matter what. It has been painful watching McCain blowing in the wind. This is a man who has little discipline, is much like bush in many ways, has always been bailed out and propped up by his family, has a terrible temper, many in congress dislike him immensely, and yet these people who put party above the country would have this man in the WH with his finger on the red button. He is old and his backup is not qualified to take over for him. It is so frightening. Or is it something else? Well shame on you and you know who you are. You put this country into the tank when you voted for bush, don’t do it again by voting for a man who would continue with bush ideology and more tax cuts for the rich. This country can’t take any more of this; it will not survive.

  13. Will Rhodes says:

    Let me ask you a question: You bear no allegiance to my country, so why would you be any authority on how this country should be run? And moreover, why the hell do you spend all your time talking about my country when your country is already feeling the negative effects of socialist control?

    I bear no allegiance to your country? I take it you haven’t read the history of the USA, then – quite apt.

    Authority on how the US should be run? As a socialist I do feel that all people should be treated equally – now where in the American Constitution does it say that? We the People…

    The UK and Canada have been run by both left wing and right wing party’s – even some in the middle – the effect happening in those countries are effected by a certain thing called the credit crunch which started – now, where was that – Wall St?

    SSG – there is no need for you to apologise, I do thank you for it but no need whatsoever. I know that Stacy is a wing-nut – but that is his/her problem not yours or mine. I know we disagree – that is what is good, and I do appreciate you reading this blog and adding to it – thank you.

    America has caught a cold in economic terms – and now the rest of the world is suffering – what happens in the US effects the world – it is as simple as that really.

    Why I am hung up on politics? – I am, unreservedly a nerd – a geek, all the things you can say – I love, love, love politics – to me – it is the biggest chess game that can ever be imagined.

    You had better head for those hill’s SSG – the banks in the US have been partially nationalised, the financial institutions now have government investment to the tune of 235 Bn dollars so far – that is socialist economic policy – and utilised – by a Republican president.

    PP, Hannah, Yellow – thanks for the comments – they are appreciated. 🙂

  14. mariestacey says:

    Who do I want to respond to here? Certainly not all of you. I don’t have the time or the patience for this much ignorance.

    II’ll respond to a few.

    I must say I can’t understand why you have so many people that are not Americans trying to explain to us what the right route for our country is. How can I put this mildly? People who are not Americans: perhaps you should think about this, you may not understand the way this country functions. Clearly. Do you understand that we’re Capitalists? Do you understand that we’re FREE? Do you understand that we know what socialism is and most of the people in MY country are not stupid enough to submit to government control? If you do not understand any of these facts, then you do not have knowledge about America that would lend you to give us advice on how to run our country. I know you all want to be ‘involved’ in the decision America makes, but most American citizens (sans the attention whores and the panderers) don’t listen to socialist citizens who try to lure us into the same ridiculously unproductive form of government that you have. Also, don’t try to tell me about your country, I DO NOT CARE. You are the people that care about MY country. If you care so much, ALLOW ME TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU.

    SSG T,

    Don’t tell me what to do you arrogant ass. I’m an American and I do what I want. You fought for freedom of speech, jackass? SO DID MY FATHER, MY GRANDFATHER, AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY. Get your head out of your ass. I know EXACTLY what my family and other members of the military fought for and that is FREEDOM. In case you do not understand the policies of Obama, SOCIALISM IS NOT FREEDOM. I find it very compelling to fight against Obama for the sheer sake of freedom, and the fact that so many men and women are OVERSEAS right now fighting for freedom in a different land just to have the Lib Dems try to throw their country over to socialism and communism. I bet they’ll all be really pleased when they come back from fighting overseas and their own homeland is no longer free. You don’t really get it yet do you? WHILE I DO. SO LISTEN TO ME AND LEARN SOMETHING.

    I FIGHT FOR THE SAME THING THE TROOPS FIGHT FOR. And don’t you dare try to say any different. I don’t tolerate this shit from anyone. Not even on the internet.

    Secondly, what was the point of your post to me and what exactly did you find wrong with my post? You didn’t clearly answer either of those questions.

    Perhaps I’m too inflammatory for the whiny brats of the school of political-correctness, but I speak the truth.

    Thanks for allowing me to still post.

    History is not my strongest subject. I am majoring in Political Science and minoring in Economics. I would like to learn more about History though.

    “Authority on how the US should be run? As a socialist I do feel that all people should be treated equally – now where in the American Constitution does it say that? We the People.”

    All people have freedom in my country. That is being treated equally. If a person that lives in my country disagrees with that, then they should leave the country and go to a socialist country. America, since its founding, has been a country of freedom and not government control. We are permitted our 2nd Amendment right to gun ownership and our first Amendment rights to freedom of speech, press, and peaceful protest. Our Declaration of Independence (this document is really just as important to Americans as the Constitution) grants us the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness from the Creator. Not from the government. This document explains to us that our rights cannot be given or taken away by the government. The government does not control the people. The government does not distribute wealth to people. The government is supposed to function to protect and guard the security of the citizens. All other matters, especially economic, Americans crave very little government. There are, of course, exceptions. But for the most part, we the people understand that our rights are our own to protect and if the government attempts to oppress the citizens, we have the right, the DUTY, to overthrow the government to preserve the tenants of freedom and individual liberty. We will do that. I really believe that we will. That’s why it is imperative that people stop attempting to put in a President that will revoke individual freedom and liberty. Obama doesn’t seem to understand. He cannot control us unless we let him. And we are not controlled. Ever heard of an underground economy? You will if Obama wins. Well, you may not. But Americans will know it exists.

    Anyway, I’m done with my rant. Have a nice day.

  15. pp says:

    Staceymaire – I thought you may be interested to watch a video from TED by a global health professer called Hans Roling, that I just happened to stumble across looking for something for my work this week. Unfortunately it is long (20 minutes) but it is fascinating stuff that I think would be of interest to you as you are studying political science & economics.
    The part that I thought particularly interesting was when he shows how the GDP/wealth etc of a country increased AFTER they addressed health issues. That is, when so-called third world countries intervened to improve the health of its people FIRST, the economic benefits for the WHOLE COUNTRY followed. And this economic growth happened more quickly if they addressed health before business/economics.This may scare you as being ‘socialism’, but to me it looks like good sense – & republicans love everything that shows they can make a $!
    How much more economically resiliant would America be if the health of ALL its citizens were addressed properly? Isn’t this especially pertinent now?
    You also say that ‘All people have freedom in my country. That is being treated equally.’
    I think any person with reasonable intelligence & conscience would have to agree that not everyone is born equal – or having equal opportunity to advance in life. I don’t know about your personal situation, but not everyone is blessed with the advantages at birth that you or I might have had. It doesn’t just make sense from a social conscience perspective – it actually makes economic sense to HELP people get out of poverty, whether it is in Africa or in the US. Not only would productivity increase, but social dysfunction would hopefully decrese, which would save a country HUGE amounts of money!
    I know there are people who ‘bludge’ the system, and that gets to me as much as I’m sure it gets to you.
    But what do you call it when big corporations benefit from political friends slipping them deals under the table that cost the taxpyer not just thousands of dollars, but up into the millions? Is this the ‘individual freedom & liberty ‘ you talk of?
    I think both are wrong, & for a country to achieve its potential, both socially & economically, it has to consider the needs of all its citizens, not just the already capable / powerful.

  16. pp says:

    Sorry – forgot the link. If you go to Youtube & type in TED Hans Roling, you should find the talk. I don’t know how to create a hyperlink to it in this comment box – can anyone tell me how?

  17. mariestacey says:

    I have a couple youtube videos that I think you’ll find interesting. After you watch these, we can discuss some of the points you brought up. But in my opinion, after these videos, it’s irrelevant anyway.

  18. pp says:

    I’m sorry mariestacey – any suspicion I had you might be open to intelligent discussion just went south for the winter!
    The first clip has zilch evidence – he just says he’s a threat to the consitution! That is nothing more than opinion!
    The second clip, by the same person, questions Obama’s American citizenship? How? What? Que????
    He was born to an American citizen, living at the time of his birth in an American state!
    You know, I could respect your stance if it were based on reasoned intelligent premises. But to quote this crap at me, as if it exonerates your poition, totally proves only one thing – you are without reason, conscience or judgement, and look for information only to confirm your pre-existing prejudices!

  19. mariestacey says:


    Are you dense? Philip Berg is NOT the one who must provide evidence! BARACK OBAMA IS THE ONE WHO IS BEING FORCED TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF HIS CITIZENSHIP. He has not done this. Why wouldn’t he have shown his birth certificate to completely discredit Philip Berg? There’s one simple, logical answer: HE CAN’T!

    I am with reason. You are the one that rejects anything that could disqualify this ALREADY UNQUALIFIED candidate.

    He is disqualified to most of the American public because he will not produce a birth certificate. Did you not understand that the entire point of the lawsuit was to push him to reveal a REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

    If it wasn’t for someone like Philip Berg, we, the American people, may have remained IGNORANT to the goings on in our court systems. You saw, if you actually watched it, in the 2nd video how Obama has just been fucking over the court system. When do you think this information will actually come out of Obama’s mouth? Something tells me he didn’t expect it to be a secret forever…

    You didn’t listen to what Berg said or you wouldn’t ask me why he questions his citizenship. He filed a lawsuit. All the lawsuit demands is that Obama show a valid vault birth certificate. Obama will not comply and is running the court system around in circles.

    Now, YOU TELL ME, all-knowing pp, WHY WOULD HE DO THIS? WHY WOULDN’T HE JUST SHUT US UP BY PROVING US WRONG? He must not be able to.

  20. pp says:

    Nah – with OR without Phillip Berg, you will remain ignorant!

  21. mariestacey says:

    Are you even an American?

    And if so, did you know the military overwhelmingly supports McCain? Does that do NOTHING at all for you even though they are overseas fighting for your freedom as we speak?

    One candidate is for freedom and one candidate is for government. The troops know the right choice. You should read up to. They’re risking enough right now without you risking their homeland as well. You have an OBLIGATION to make the right decision.

  22. Will Rhodes says:

    marie –

    I dunno if you have seen the turnout in Georgia – but so far it is very high, people who are voting early – could Georgia go blue?

  23. mariestacey says:


    I doubt it. Georgia is very southern at heart.

    Southern people understand a few core principles be they white, black, hispanic, asian, or any other nationality: guns, God, and freedom.

    It’s just true. This is not speaking for the urbanized cities, but suburban areas (which have more population generally) understand the tenants of this country’s founding and will not vote in a socialist radical to ‘change’ our entire government so as to kill off the productivity.

    This Election has gotten very tense and very polarized. I hope this can be done through a free and fair election, but the Karl Marx didn’t think that was how it would be done, and with the way the Left is threatening violence if Obama loses (which he probably will if votes are counted equally), I believe this is a very serious time for America.

    Freedom will win in the end. I have no doubt about that. I just hope no lives are lost unnecessarily in the process of freedom winning.

  24. mariestacey says:

    Also, McCain is doing well in Ohio and Florida — usually two defining states in a Presidential Election.

    But then again I don’t trust polls so I don’t like stating that he’s ‘ahead’ even when he clearly is.

    There’s really no way to tell, that’s why we’re all scared as hell.

    The good thing is that Americans get scared and think clearly about freedom. They will make the right decision. And we will still continue to be a force for good in the world if they do. I am confident, but still weary.

  25. pp says:

    mareistacey –
    If I’m reading it right, your process of logic is:
    1. the army are fighting for America’s freedoms
    2. The army support McCain
    3. Therefore, McCain is the right leader.
    Is this correct?
    To start with, I’d just like to understand what you mean by ‘freedom’ as this seems to be the underlying premise of your argument. Are America’s freedoms those guaranteed under the constitution? I am Australian (which you had obviously forgotten) so I admit I don’t know your constitution inside out. But from my limited understanding, I believe they are freedom of religion, press, peaceful assembly & to petition. What have I missed?
    Anyway, I am struggling to understand how troops fighting in Iraq are protecting your freedoms? If you mean instead, the freedom to live in peace, free from other countries’ / peoples’ threat or persecution, free to live with your American values and beliefs – then that’s a different concept of freedom, one I believe is universal. Wouldn’t most people around the world want to live with those freedoms? Does America ( & Australia by its own involvement!) always respect those universal freedoms of others?
    But that gets me back to my original problem: how are the troops fighting OS at the moment fighting for your freedoms? Eliminating the threat of attack? Revenge?
    Newton’s 3rd law of motion states that for each action, there is an equal & opposite reaction. The war in Afghanistan can be viewed as a reaction to the terrorist attacks of 9/11. But what were these attacks a reaction to in turn? They had to have been triggered by something??
    And the very fact that America is at the moment threatening Pakistan, Russia & many other countries who they think are a threat to them, will in turn have a reaction. Is threat going to get the reaction America wants? Is it a reaction that will protect your freedoms or will they put your ‘freedoms’, whether constitutional or universal, at even greater risk?
    I am not attacking your soldiers who are out there putting their lives on the line (I read of an incredible story in today’s local paper about an Australian soldier in Afghanistan who although wounded twice in the chest, strapped himself to the bull-bar of his group’s vehicle so he couldn’t be left behind,and continued to fight!). But I do have issue with leaders whose first reponse is to threaten, fight etc without considering the long term consequences. And negotiation will always win hands down – it may fail, or require concessions, but ultimately YOUR FREEDOMS will be better protected through negotiation backed by force, rather than force as a first recourse.
    So I don’t accept your logic. Just because the army support McCain does NOT make him the best leader to protect America & her freedoms.

  26. mariestacey says:

    Fine, pp, accept this logic.

    Obama & DNC Admit All Allegations of Federal Court Lawsuit

    Obama Should Immediately Withdraw his Candidacy for President

    For Immediate Release: – 10/21/08

    (Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/21/08) – Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and the DNC “ADMITTED”, by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is “NOT QUALIFIED” to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

    Berg stated that he filed Requests for Admissions on September 15, 2008 with a response by way of answer or objection had to be served within thirty [30] days. No response to the Requests for Admissions was served by way of response or objection. Thus, all of the Admissions directed to Obama and the DNC are deemed “ADMITTED.” Therefore, Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President.

    OBAMA – Admitted:

    1. I was born in Kenya.

    2. I am a Kenya “natural born” citizen.

    3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.

    4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.

    5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya.

    6. My mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.

    7. The COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “” is a forgery.

    8. I was adopted by a Foreign Citizen.

    9. I was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.

    10. I was not born in Hawaii.

    11. I was not born at the Queens Medical Center in Hawaii.

    12. I was not born at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Hawaii.

    13. I was not born in a Hospital in Hawaii.

    14. I am a citizen of Indonesia.

    15. I never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain my U.S. Citizenship status.

    16. I am not a “natural born” United States citizen.

    17. My date of birth is August 4, 1961.

    18. I traveled to Pakistan in 1981 with my Pakistan friends.

    19. In 1981, I went to Indonesia on my way to Pakistan.

    20. Pakistan was a no travel zone in 1981 for American Citizens.

    21. In 1981, Pakistan was not allowing American Citizens to enter their country.

    22. I traveled on my Indonesian Passport to Pakistan.

    23. I renewed my Indonesian Passport on my way to Pakistan.

    24. My senior campaign staff is aware I am not a “natural born” United States Citizen.

    25. I am proud of my Kenya Heritage.

    26. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.

    27. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.

    28. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.

    29. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.

    30. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.

    31. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.

    32. The document identified as my Indonesian School record from Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia is genuine.

    33. I went to a Judge in Hawaii to have my name changed.

    34. I went to a Senator and/or Congressman or other public official in Hawaii to have my name changed.

    35. I had a passport issued to me from the Government of Indonesia.

    36. The United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.

    37. I am ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States.

    38. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Indonesia.

    39. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Kenya.

    40. I am an Attorney who specializes in Constitutional Law.

    41. Kenya was a part of the British Colonies at the time of my birth.

    42. Kenya did not become its own Republic until 1963.

    43. I am not a “Naturalized” United States Citizen.

    44. I obtained $200 Million dollars in campaign funds by fraudulent means.

    45. I cannot produce a “vault” (original) long version of a birth certificate showing my birth in Hawaii.

    46. My “vault” (original) long version birth certificate shows my birth in Kenya.

    47. The only times I was to a Hospital in Hawaii was for check-ups or medical treatments for illnesses.

    48. Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.

    49. Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.

    50. I was born in the Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

    51. I represented on my State Bar application in Illinois that I never used any other name other than Barack Hussein Obama.

    52. I went by the name Barry Soetoro in Indonesia.

    53. My Indonesian school records are under the name of Barry Soetoro.

    54. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when admitted to the State Bar of Illinois to practice Law.

    55. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when I was Sworn into my United States Senate Office.

    56. I hold dual citizenship with at least one other Country besides the United States of America.

    DNC – Admitted:

    1. The DNC nominated Barrack Hussein Obama as the Democratic Nominee for President.

    2. The DNC has not vetted Barrack Hussein Obama.

    3. The DNC did not have a background check performed on Barrack Hussein Obama.

    4.The DNC did not verify Barrack Hussein Obama’s eligibility to serve as President of the United States.

    5. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya.

    6. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama is not a “natural born” United States citizen.

    7. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was not born in Hawaii.

    8.The DNC admits they have not inquired into Barrack Hussein Obama’s citizenship status.

    9. The DNC admits they have a duty to properly vette the Democratic Nominee for President.

    10.The DNC admits Lolo Soetoro, M.A., an Indonesian citizen adopted Barrack Hussein Obama.

    11. The DNC admits the Credentials Committee has been aware of this lawsuit since August 22, 2008 as the lawsuit was faxed to our Washington D.C. Office on August 22, 2008.

    12. The DNC admits their Credentials Committee failed to verify and/or inquire into the credentials of Barack Hussein Obama to serve as the President of the United States.

    13. The DNC admits their Credential Committee’s Report failed to address the issues of Barack Hussein Obama’s ineligibility to serve as President of the United States.

    14.The DNC admits Howard Dean, Chair Person has and had knowledge Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya and ineligible to serve as the President of the United States.

    15. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all Democratic citizens of the United States have been personally injured as a result of not having a qualified Democratic Presidential Nominee to cast their votes upon.

    16. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional Right to vote for the President of the United States and to have two (2) qualified candidates of which to choose from.

    17. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional right to have a properly vetted Democratic Presidential Nominee of which to cast their vote.

    18. The DNC admits an FBI background check is not performed on the Presidential or Vice Presidential Candidates.

    19. The DNC admits the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.

    20. The DNC admits they collected donations on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama for his Presidential campaign.

    21. The DNC admits Plaintiff and Democratic citizens donated money based on false representations that Barack Hussein Obama was qualified to serve as the President of the United States.

    22. The DNC admits if Barack Hussein Obama is elected as President and allowed to serve as President of the United States in violation of our Constitution, it will create a Constitutional crisis.

    23. The DNC admits Barack Hussein Obama took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution.

    24. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to due process of law in violation of the United States Constitution.

    25. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to Equal Protection of the laws in violation of the United States Constitution.

    26. The DNC admits the function of the DNC is to secure a Democratic Presidential Candidate who will protect Democratic citizen’s interests, fight for their equal opportunities and fight for justice for all Americans.

    27. The DNC admits the Democratic National Committee has been promoting Barack Hussein Obama’s Presidential election knowing he was ineligible to serve as President of the United States.

    Downloadable PDF:

    Download this file (Obama, Motion for Order deeming Request for Admissions Admitted.pdf)Obama, Motion for Order deeming Request for Admissions Admitted.pdf

    Download this file ( Press Release 10 21 08 – Obama – DNC Admit All Allegationsof Fed)Press Release Obama – DNC Admit All Allegations of Federal Court Lawsuit.

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  27. Will Rhodes says:

    We’re back to this one, Marie?

    The Court was asked to dismiss by the Obama camp and lawyers. He is a US citizen born in Hawaii – what that lawsuit says, is that if Berg doesn’t get the answer he wants in 30 days then it is an admission, which it isn’t. You have to look closer than believing idiotic sleaze websites.


    Where was John McCain born?

    Do you know?

    If not, it was Panama.

    If you are wanting to get Obama out of the race with this stuff – it shows how desperate the McCain supporters have got.

  28. mariestacey says:

    The Constitution does not allow for Barack Obama to be President.

    How do you know he was born in Hawaii when he has not produced a valid vault birth certificate?

    John McCain was born in the Panama Canal to military parents. Somewhat different than a man who was either born in Kenya or born in Hawaii and then adopted by a foreigner who claimed he was an Islamic citizen of Indonesia. Make the distinction clearly because TRUST ME, Americans can and will.

    Military personnel in service to the country who bear children who ultimately go to spend their ENTIRE LIVES in the country, in the military, in the government, in other various positions to help oversea the protection of the nation is VERY different than the truth about Barack Obama.

  29. mariestacey says:

    Also, they were denied dismissal of the case. He still has not produced a birth certificate. WHY NOT?

  30. mariestacey says:


    That birth certificate is unverifiable and does not have identification numbers.

    It is a fraud. As is the other copy of Obama’s birth certificate circulating on the internet. You never seem to remember not to believe everything you read on the internet until you’re being fed a lie by Yes the all-knowing authority on Obama’s birth.

  31. leapsecond says:


    The certificate number is on the birth certificate — it’s certainly legit. If you don’t believe so… I don’t know what to say, except you must be wearing a tin-foil hat.

  32. mariestacey says:


    Listen to Mark Levin. You can download the show for free off his website or you can find it on iTunes for free. Download the show from TODAY (10/23) and you will hear at the beginning of the show a clip of a person from Weather Underground planning to exterminate 25 million “Capitalists.”

    If this is going to be a war, this will be war. And these Marxists have a VERY WORTHY adversary. How long will it take the Americans to extinguish their oppressors? Only time will tell, but history supports the idea that freedom will triumph. Especially in America. The dictator will be executed by the citizens for crimes against humanity and anyone allied with such a movement to exterminate capitalists will be eliminated in self-defense. A never-ending battle, I presume. But I know who will never win. And that is Barack Hussein Obama.

  33. pp says:

    staceymarie – you are one big fruit loop!
    The idea that you are studying political science / economics is bizarre? What university is that actually??
    Perhaps your course is really political science-fiction!

  34. pp says:

    Just wondering mariestacey – if Obama’s birth certificate was proven to show that he was without doubt a legit American citizen & was therefore eligible to stand for presidency, would that suddenly change your opinion?
    Stupid question!
    Tell me – is your bogey-man outfit white with a pointy hood, by any chance???

  35. mariestacey says:


    You do not need to know my university. All you need to know is that I have had to fight the left-wing Marxists from day one. It is not your concern where I attend school or what you project to be my intelligence level. You know absolutely nothing about me except that which you have seen on the internet.

    Would it suddenly change my opinion of what? Him? Perhaps slightly. My vote? Hell no. I know that people like you hate it when people actually look to and remember the repercussions of giving the government too much control, but Americans are quite good at assessing this. Everyone else needs to start following our lead.

    Also, there’s no need in speculating that he is a U.S. Citizen because if he was, he would have a much less difficult time producing a valid birth certificate. Considering all the places his hands have already penetrated our government, if he cannot produce a valid birth certificate, there is something seriously wrong.

    I don’t know what the hell the pointy hood bullshit was about, but you need to keep your racists comments to yourself. I’ve had enough of you race-baiting worthless pieces of trash making it out like we hate Obama because of his color. We hate him because of what he wants to do to our country.

    Again, if you do not understand, then GET THE HELL OUT. SOCIALIST COUNTRIES ARE EVERYWHERE. GO THERE.

  36. pp says:

    mariestacey – you reveal the real you to everyone on the internet, not just through the ideas you express, but the way in which you express them! Because the anonymity provided by this forum of communication allows people to really say whatever they like, without fear of someone actually knowing it is them! And you have revealed yourself!

  37. mariestacey says:


    Who are you the FBI? It’s none of your damn business who I am. And if you make it your business, we will have a problem.

    I make it clear who I am though. You are right. I am an American.

  38. pp says:

    Thanks Stace for the best laugh I’ve had all week!
    Just another side issue – I was just reading an article on CNN about early voting:
    ‘Forty-two percent of those surveyed in a recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll said they were not confident that their votes could be “accurately cast and counted.” ‘
    Isn’t this a bit of a concern for all Americans, both Republicans & Democrats? How much faith can you have in your own democratic process when 42% say this? I think you’d better start looking at how your freedoms & rights have already been undermined, let alone the fears you have about the future!

  39. mariestacey says:



    As in, ACORN voter fraud. There are cases in 12 states I believe now. Pretty sick isn’t it?

    Why is it that you lib dems think you can do something as conniving and manipulative as to ruin the free and fair voting system through voter fraud and then you act like it’s a fault of democracy! It’s not a fault of democracy that there are so many dishonest people trying to throw the election; that is a problem with the corrupt people in this country. The interest groups and the politicians.

  40. pp says:

    Aren’t you being a bit naive to think it is one-sided?? Just who defrauded the electorate in the 2000 election to the extent that they illegally took office?? The Republicans!
    Remember that rule: ‘For every action there is an equal & opposite reaction’!!! Well, perhaps there’s a few Democrats out there trying to counter the dirty tricks the Republicans have used so effectively in the past! It doesn’t make it right – but given human nature, some of it’s inevitable. And there are already rumblings that there are once again issues in Florida’s voting process (a state still under Republican governorship).
    PS. read again – I didn’t say it was the fault of democracy – I said it was because of problems in your democratic PROCESS! And ACORN’s monetrary incentives to maintain registration quotas is just one such problem.

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