How democratic is the USA?

We hear and read that the USA is the most democratic nation on earth – but what about a few facts?

As you can see on the right hand side of this blog is a statement about how to get registered to vote in the US.

If you look at the top of this blog you will see ‘An Englishman in Canada’ – that is because, 1, I am English 2, I live in Canada and 3, I want the USA to be as democratic as it possibly can! Being a federal republic can, and often does, complicate matters for US citizens. Why you may ask?

Well it leaves a lot of things down to the individual States to do with the oversight of the Federal government. It works for the most part for Americans – they like it the way it is – but elections do seem to be a problem when it comes to that four year repeat – the presidential election.

The strive for power can be all consuming – so consuming that you will and would disenfranchise your fellow citizens of a right I see so high that if I was asked I would say it was number 1 on my list of rights. Not so many Republicans. The right to vote.

Under the guise of having legal votes, which isn’t a bad thing at all, they [Republicans] will steal and stop Democrats from voting or their votes being counted. I must add that this could be some Democrats, too – but I just doubt it.

In this article you can see what I mean, which in itself leads us to think about how truly democratic is the USA?

If you truly do believe in freedom, then you do believe that people should have the legal right to vote. Republicans, Democrats and all in between should be shouting from the roof tops, no matter who is in power, that everyone’s vote should be cast and counted – no matter who wins! This should not be a partisan matter – it should be a constitutional matter. If one Democratic or Republican vote is cast aside because of a simple yearn for power, that is not democracy, that is a flawed system that is akin to something a dictatorship would engage in.

Please read the full article I have linked to – you will be astounded at what hoops people have to go through to register to vote in some places in the USA.

Make sure that they count your vote – as long as you are registered to vote, of course! On the right hand side of this blog is how you can register to vote. It links to Barack Obama’s ‘Vote for Change’ page but anyone can use it to register.

Thank you to Muse for bringing this to my attention.


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0 Responses to How democratic is the USA?

  1. steve says:

    Canada has basically thought crimes, and “hate crimes” that wouldn’t be considered a hate crime in most other nations. That article is nothing other than scare mongering. Like you accuse republicans of using scare tactics, the left also does it as well.

    While I’ve changed my thoughts, I think if the economy continues to tank, Obama will likely win. But the people on the left our now looking for their reasons to be bitter. It will either be racism or vote rigging. Or both.

  2. Will Rhodes says:

    Canada has basically thought crimes, and “hate crimes” that wouldn’t be considered a hate crime in most other nations.

    Links?

  3. Kate says:

    Oh, come on Steve. You think that there isn’t any election rigging? You think all those people whose vote never got counted in Florida feel part of a democratic nation? The blind who can’t use the new voting equipment (resulting in a law suit) and those in Duval county a few years back who were unable to get to a polling site obstructed by construction.

    Here at least there’s paper ballots, and recounts are possible. We don’t worry about hanging chads, but worry about boxes of ballots being “misplaced”… and our “acceptable” accuracy for our ballot readers is 2% That means that 2% of people just don’t count.

    The other thing is this is NOT a democratic nation. There never was “one man, one vote” because we have the electoral college to make up for the (eh-hem) “ignorance of the masses”. We are a republic, not a democracy, although the illusion of democracy is the source of pride for so many Americans.

    Let’s also remember what happened in Florida this year during the primaries… that all those Florida Democrats were denied their voice. Because of the Democrats? NO. Because the REPUBLICAN controlled legislature under FL law can set primary dates for both parties, and assigned a date which broke Democratic party rules.

  4. Will Rhodes says:

    Kate, Kate – Steve isn’t one for facts, they get in the way of what he has to say.

    I think they have used his ideas a lot in the McCain campaign this year.

  5. steve says:

    @ Will

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/hatecrimes/

    In the US, the “hate propaganda” would be protected free speech. I wouldn’t agree with people who want all people of a group to die, but they have a right to say it.

  6. steve says:

    @ Kate

    The problem with the Florida thing is that they wanted to remake the rules after it happened. You can’t do that.

    Also, the electoral college is the system the founding fathers gave us. That’s the system. They did it so that large states couldn’t make smaller states irrelevant. If you don’t like it, try to get the constitution changed, but don’t go pouting about how it’s unfair, blah blah, that’s the system. The popular vote is irrelevant.

  7. flybenji says:

    With 10% of the people personally owning 70% of America’s wealth which basically gives them personal control of America Democracy is no longer working the way it was intended to in the beginning.

    America is free & you can do whatever you want to do especially if you have the money to pay lawyers to get laws enacted that allow you to legally take over & control America & all of it’s money.

    They made it legal to do this while everyone sat back & watched them do it do I do not feel sorry for anyone that is sobbing & crying now.

    People used Democracy in the wrong way to their own personal benefit without regard for others or the masses & now a big mess exists.

    The good thing is it gives political pundits something to write or talk about.

    Ron Paul tried to tell all of you that & he also told you America is going broke & you were all to smart for your own good so all nay sayers should take it like a man.

    He told you people were using Democracy & violating our Constitution but people did not like him because they said he was ugly?

    I can not believe any of you trust anyone in America anymore let alone a politician or political pundit both of which are in it strictly for the money.

    Democracy is no longer working & millions are being victimized & that is a fact.

    Good luck trying to fix that now because money talks & bullshit walks & there is no hope for anyone who is not wealthy other than what they can do for themselves like start their own business, hope to get rich & join the club.

    The best place to do that today is in China which is no Democracy to prove a point.
    Some of us high school drop-outs are smarter than you may think.
    America is on the way out & Democracy went a long time ago & everyone in the world knows that but Americans.
    Brilliant.

  8. Will Rhodes says:

    Steve – From the link you provided.

    “What is a hate crime?
    CBC News Online | June 2004

    The Criminal Code of Canada says a hate crime is committed to intimidate, harm or terrify not only a person, but an entire group of people to which the victim belongs. The victims are targeted for who they are, not because of anything they have done.

    Hate crimes involve intimidation, harassment, physical force or threat of physical force against a person, a family or a property.

    Sections 318 and 319 of the Criminal Code of Canada address hate crimes.

    Under Section 318, it is a criminal act to “advocate or promote genocide” – to call for, support, encourage or argue for the killing of members of a group based on colour, race, religion or ethnic origin. As of April 29, 2004, when Bill C-250, put forward by NDP MP Svend Robinson, was given royal assent, “sexual orientation” was added to that list.

    Section 319 deals with publicly stirring up or inciting hatred against an identifiable group based on colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation. It is illegal to communicate hatred in a public place by telephone, broadcast or through other audio or visual means. The same section protects people from being charged with a hate crime if their statements are truthful or the expression of a religious opinion.

    The law (subparagraph 718.2(a)(i), to be specific) encourages judges to consider in sentencing whether the crime was motivated by hate of: the victim’s race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation or any other similar factor. ”

    Well – if you regard that as “Free Speech” I genuinely feel sorry for you.

  9. steve says:

    @ Will

    Nice try..

    “Wilful promotion of hatred
    (2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of

    (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

    (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction. ”

    So I canada, if you were out in public and said “I hate blacks, you should to” you’ve committed a crime. That would be protected speech in the USA, and I’m damn glad we have free speech unlike Canada. Sorry, but adults don’t need to ban things they don’t agree with. Ever heard the “I may disagree with what you say, but I would risk my life to let you say it”.

    It’s pretty funny as well, because all this talk of hate crimes, I recall seeing an advert for some Ontario police force, where they were actively seeking everyone except white males. They listed everyone but excluded white males. Why isn’t that a hate crime?

  10. Will Rhodes says:

    Why nice try? Feck me, Steve – you are seriously making me question whether you are actually a lawyer or not.

    You claim by saying that you hate black people you are committing a crime – unless you can prove what you say to be true is a thought crime? In a private conversation? You do make me laugh – If you advocate that black people are eveil because they are black – please bring your lawyer head to this one and prove it – it is obviously untrue and a lie – yet, in your wonderful USA you claim that saying that is protected under the US Constitution?

    LOL – OK, Go out and do that in front of a group of police officers and a crowd of people. See how much you ‘free speech’ is protected.

    Free speech, sir does not mean hate speech – but I am beginning to see where your interpretation of those words lie.

  11. steve says:

    @ Wil
    LOL now you are defining what “Free speech” means to you? You want to ban things you don’t like? Sorry, but free speech includes speech you don’t like. I’m proud to live in a country gives people the right to speak their mind, despite that I might disagree with what they say.

    Enjoy your police state.

    According to the law in Canada, if I went out in public and said “I hate black people” you are committing a crime. If you say “I think black people are… whatever hateful” that’s a crime.

  12. Will Rhodes says:

    Steve

    Because you hate black people isn’t my problem, it’s yours. Again, I reiterate, go out in front of a group of people and police officers and say what you say here.

    See how much ‘free speech’ you have. Promote genocide in the US, see where you end up. I am sure that you are not that simple as to think you can say whatever you like.

    Why are the KKK looked upon as they are? But people like you give them a lagitimate view – you may like hate speech but the vast majority in the world don’t.

    You claim, at least now, openly that you feel hate speech is akin to free speech. As i say – the more you write the more you open yourself up to who you actually are.

    You believe that all speech, as long as it benefits your tenuous arguments, is free speech – yet you question how other countries deride such things.

    Don’t come to our countries if you feel this way. Defend the indefensible as you see fit. Any respect that I once had for you has been lost – I cannot abide, nor will I tolerate anyone who espouses hatred as a legitimate debating point.

    You Sir, is what is wrong with the US today, people like you and your warped intent of what is good is sickening to see, read and hear about.

    Stay, please, in your cocoon on offensiveness. I for one, will never again defend you.

  13. steve says:

    @ Will

    When did I say I like hate speech? Where do you come up with this? I said hate speech must be protected. You shouldn’t van views that you don’t want to hear. I cannot stand the KKK, but they have a right to hold those opinions and speak them. Believe me, the KKK hates me more than they hate blacks, but they have a right. If it becomes violence, they don’t have that right, but to speak their minds is a fundamental right, despite how much I disagree with them?

    Now you think I hate black people? I do pray you understand I was giving an example of something that is legal in the US, but illegal in Canada. Whoa Will, you’re really jumped the gun on this one.

  14. steve says:

    Will, you are possibly the most intolerant person I have ever come across. You simply cannot tolerate opinions that differ from your own. YOu accuse me to liking hate speech, when that’s totally not the case. There’s a difference between liking something and defending someone’s right to speak their mind.

    I’m a jew, but I think holocaust denial laws are wrong. People have the right to voice their opinions, despite how idiotic they are. I’ll let other’s judge them, but they should be free to speak their minds.

    I don’t give the KKK a ligitimate view, people like me allow them to speak their minds. It’s their right to be hateful. Let them show what morons they are. Are they going to convert any people who weren’t already bigots? Of course not.

    I’m what’s wrong with the US? What’s wrong with the US is irresponsible spending habits and living beyond one’s means. Believing in free speech is “wrong”? You simply want to outlaw and ban things that you don’t agree with. That’s not “tolerance”. People have the right to be hateful idiots. It’s just speech. Sticks and stones can break my bones but names will never hurt me (unless I chose to let them hurt me).

    As Eleanor Roosevelt said, nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent.

  15. John McCain says:

    You Europeans just don’t know what Democracy is.
    Gay Wimps.

  16. steve says:

    @ John Mccain

    Unless you have a religious reason for saying “gay wimps” that would constitute a hate crime in Canada. This is why free speech needs to be protected.

  17. Will Rhodes says:

    Ah John – I see you lost last night – how does it feel to be on the brink of another loss, but to a normal person this time? 😉

  18. museditions says:

    Thanks for the link cred, Will. My desire in bringing this article to your awareness is so that people affected may be able to check their status before it’s too late to vote in this critical election. I was particularly interested to read about first time voters—often students—who must submit a photocopy of their I.D. with their first absentee ballot. It makes sense they must do that, given the new I.D. rules, but I’m sure many aren’t aware. (Not to be snarky, but many students are registered Republicans!)
    We can all help by sending a link to our local university and college newspapers, as I have done to the University of Arizona Wildcat. We have many out-of-state students here.
    Even though Sen. McCain is sure to secure all the electoral votes in my state (as he’s from here, and it’s been solidly “red” for many years) I urge everyone to vote their conscience, as every vote makes a statement.

  19. John McCain says:

    @wimp Steve

    Yeah, that’s how you commies are. Always screaming for “free speech” but when it comes to critic you are screaming for communist censorship.
    Poor wimp, go home!
    When I am president you’ll go to Guantanamo with all the other gays and lesbians and godless commies!

  20. steve says:

    @ John

    Hilarious. Yup, I’m sure Mccain is going to do that. After all, don’t the liberals and their conspiracies think that Bush is going to refuse to leave office? Need to keep your conspiracy theories straight when you don’t get your way.

  21. John McCain says:

    Hey, Willy – did ya see that my friends at FOX News are striking back?
    They have now a lot of “Top Posts from around WordPress.com” and they censor bloody communist posts from subversives like you.
    I will win!
    Yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiha!

  22. Will Rhodes says:

    Yeah, John – they never post my replies for some reason. LOL

  23. steve says:

    @ Will

    Were you planning on addressing my response?

  24. John McCain says:

    He is just planning his trip to Guantanamo. So should you.

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