Palin: Zero Experience

The Republicans are touting Sarah Palin as having great experience, but when Carl Tucker from the McCain campaign was questioned about her “experience” with running Alaska’s National Guard he could not answer her question, he kept trying to put it back on Obama. Why? Because he wanted to make it look as though she has experience with military management when she has none. Zero. John McCain recently canceled an interview appearance with Larry King when he learned that Larry King was going to ask the same question of him. John McCain canceled because he did not want to be exposed for his vetting process with her, which was zero and because Palin has zero military experience. That’s right zero. They claim she has executive experience after being mayor of Wallisa, a town of 5,500 people that has stop signs with bullet holes in them. That hardly qualifies her as having executive experience. Picking up bullet casing is zero executive experience. The Republicans tout that she beat a two time Alaska governor, yet do not mention that she ran for office when people were saying “anyone but Frank Murkowski”. She did not get elected because people thought she would be a good governor. The Republicans have zero credibility on that. The Republicans claim that Palin is good for women, yet they only handpicked her for the vice presidential because she is a woman. That is insulting to women. Her place on the Republican ticket has zero credibility. With the Republicans putting Palin on the Republican ticket on screams one thing about them when comes to experience; they are hypocrites, which is a big fat zero in anyone’s book.


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0 Responses to Palin: Zero Experience

  1. experience with military management when she has none. Zero.

    Wow. That’s a good point. You’re really given me food for thought. No experience with military management.

    Well, good thing she’s only running for VP. I shudder to think if someone was running for President with no military management experience. Now that would really be scary. Luckily, we have two major-party candidates running for President with military management experience galore: John McCain and Bar…….

    Oh. Wait. Never mind.

    They claim she has executive experience after being mayor of Wallisa, a town of 5,500 people that has stop signs with bullet holes in them. That hardly qualifies her as having executive experience.

    I don’t know about that, but I heard that after being the mayor of that town, she went on to a different public office of some sort. What was it? I can’t remember. Let me think.

    Oh right, I got it, they call it “Governor”. Apparently it’s the highest executive office in things called “states”, or something. Yeah, I know, it was all news to me too.

    She did not get elected because people thought she would be a good governor.

    You know what the people who voted for her were thinking. That’s awesome.

  2. Julie P says:

    Sonic, she did not get into any office based on her own qualifications. Anyone could have become governor in that election, it’s nothing to crow about. What’s more given McCain’s age and health her lack of experience, which is less than Obama’s is terrifying.

  3. Sonic, she did not get into any office based on her own qualifications.

    What does this even mean? They way people “get into office” in a democracy is to be elected. The qualifications are: getting the most votes. These are exactly the same “qualifications” by which Barack Obama entered the U.S. Senate.

    Anyway, what does this have to do with whether she has executive experience? Whether she had “qualifications” to get into office or not, she is serving in that office. This is experience, by definition.

    It’s really weird and strange to try to pretend (due to various rules that you’ve just made-up on the spot) that she doesn’t hold the office that she currently holds. Which – to remind you – is State Governor. Of a State. Do you understand that she is a State Governor or don’t you? If you do, what’s with all the “mayor” stuff? Sarah Palin is not the mayor of anything right now.

    Anyone could have become governor in that election,

    Why didn’t they?

    it’s nothing to crow about.

    I don’t see anyone “crowing”, just pointing out facts (Sarah Palin is the Governor of Alaska, a U.S. State) in the face of silly, obvious falsehoods (i.e. her only executive experience is being a small town’s mayor).

    What’s more given McCain’s age and health her lack of experience, which is less than Obama’s is terrifying.

    Her lack of experience in what is “less than Obama’s”? In being a chief executive? No. Obama has never held any executive office.

    In what, then?

  4. Julie P says:

    Sonic, when a person is hand picked to for a position, like she was, that person is not getting into any position based on qualifications. That is not made up it is the truth. Clinton was taken to task over his experience as governor of Arkansas and have more time served as governor, with a larger population, yet it’s okay for Palin? That’s hypocritical plain and simple. You can’t have it both ways. Palin is a gimmick to get the women and Christian right vote.

  5. Sonic, when a person is hand picked to for a position, like she was, that person is not getting into any position based on qualifications.

    She was “hand picked” by the voters of Alaska. That is how things work in this country. You’ve decided she ‘had no qualifications’ at that time. A majority of Alaskan voters evidently disagreed, or didn’t consider your point important or persuasive, and voted for her to be the Governor.

    AND NOW SHE IS THE GOVERNOR. Do you get that or don’t you? Regardless of how she got there, she’s there. And she’s been there. Therefore, she has “experience”, by definition. This is a mathematical fact. It’s really weird that people keep arguing with obvious facts like this.

    Clinton was taken to task over his experience as governor of Arkansas and have more time served as governor, with a larger population, yet it’s okay for Palin?

    I didn’t know Clinton was “taken to task”. Not by me, certainly. Most of our better Presidents have been state governors and I certainly would never have made an issue out of it.

    So, let’s agree: it was wrong for people to say Clinton’s governor experience was insufficient. And same for Palin.

  6. Julie P says:

    No, she was hand picked by McCain who did vet her properly for the vice presidency. Clinton was dragged through the mud.

    I did not decide that she had no qualifications for governor, that is what the people have said. They simply did not want the person back in. That does not make her qualified, that puts her in the right place at the right time.

  7. Julie P says:

    McCain did not vet her properly, he only met two days before he put her on the ticket and refuses to talk about it.

  8. No, she was hand picked by McCain

    Oh, that’s what you meant. You keep bouncing around (I’d thought we were talking about how she became Governor).

    So, your point is: McCain hand-picked Sarah Palin to be his VP running-mate. Is that what you’re saying? Is that the charge before the court? That she was hand-picked?

    To be the running-mate on a Presidential ticket? By the guy running for President?

    Um, I hate to be the first one to explain this to you, but THAT’S HOW IT WORKS. Presidential candidates hand pick their running-mates. YES. That’s what happens. I’m surprised you didn’t know this. Barack Obama hand-picked Joe Biden, Al Gore hand-picked Joe Lieberman, Bush hand-picked Cheney, Clinton hand-picked Gore, etc etc etc.

    Remember?

    NONE of those VP nominees got their nominations by winning some kind of running-mate election. Running mates are chosen by the runners. What exactly is the problem?

    I did not decide that she had no qualifications for governor, that is what the people have said.

    Which “the people” have said this? I have a disagreement with them. Evidently so do the people of Alaska, who elected her.

    McCain did not vet her properly, he only met two days before he put her on the ticket and refuses to talk about it.

    Enlighten me, what does “vet properly” mean? Explain the concept of “vetting” to me. What is the exact process that McCain should have gone through for this “vetting”. Since you’re the expert on what is and is not “vetting”.

    Seems to me that McCain wanted her to be his running-mate, so he asked her, and she said yes. THAT’S HOW IT WORKS. I opened up my Constitution but couldn’t find a single word about this additional “vetting process” that supposedly all running-mates must go through. I don’t get why suddenly the left this year has made up all sorts of imaginary rules about “vetting” and whatnot.

    Is it perhaps because she’s a woman?

  9. Julie P says:

    McCain did not consult with anyone about her, which is customary for a candidate to do. One phone call is not vetting it’s a conversation. He passed over many other Republican women with more experience than she has. However, since he refuses to talk about his vetting process with anyone he knows he can’t answer the tough questions about her because he knows very little about her. Since he choose her for the second highest office in the land and he wants the highest the office, then he owes it to the voting public to tell us how he selected a person he barely knows.

  10. McCain did not consult with anyone about her,

    Even if you wee right, which you’re not, that is his prerogative. He is the nominee. His choice of running-mate is his choice. What is the problem?

    which is customary for a candidate to do.

    Oooh, “customary”. Is that the same thing as “required”? Thought not.

    You really just don’t know what you’re talking about. This is argument by Making Up Imaginary Rules. According to the imaginary rules you’ve invented (and because you feel free to ignore FACTS like, she is the Governor of a state right now), Palin is somehow invalid as a VP candidate. Got it.

    One phone call is not vetting it’s a conversation.

    Then please do enlighten me, o sudden self-proclaimed expert on “vetting”: what the hell IS “vetting”?

    Seriously, I don’t know what you people are talking about. Do you?

  11. p.s. did you ever in your life say or use the word “vetting” prior to a few days ago? whence comes your sudden expertise on what is and is not “vetting” and how much “vetting” is required?

    could it be that this is just a bunch of mumbo jumbo you read elsewhere and it sounded like it’d make a good anti-Palin argument so you started using it? Like the other millions of people mindlessly repeating “didn’t vet”?

    naw..couldn’t be

  12. Julie P says:

    “Us people” demand to know how he picked someone as a running mate he does not know. He wants to be president, then he has to “us people”. “Us people” want to know how he makes major decisions, and since he is demonstrating he makes them on a whim, then it states he has poor judgment.

  13. “Us people” demand to know how he picked someone as a running mate he does not know.

    But I still don’t get what you mean by ‘how he picked’. Isn’t the answer just: he liked her positions, he liked the cut of her jib, he liked the way she carried herself, he liked the way she’d round out the ticket, so he asked her?

    Doesn’t that go without saying?

    How’s he supposed to answer a question like “how he picked” her? The premise of the question is leading and presumptuous, implying that there was something wrong with Sarah Palin that requires defending the choice. If McCain isn’t answering this question he’s smart not to; it’s a trap.

    He’s the nominee and he picked a rightward-leaning state governor who he thought would help him win. If that answer doesn’t satisfy you, why the heck not?

    How about just read his speech when he introduced her as his running mate. Will that do? It may not describe ‘how he vetted’ but he describes in plain words why he chose her. Seems to me that’s your answer. samples:

    “I found someone with an outstanding reputation for standing up to special interests and entrenched bureaucracies; someone who has fought against corruption and the failed policies of the past; someone who’s stopped government from wasting taxpayers’ money…”

    “She’s fought oil companies and party bosses and do-nothing bureaucrats and anyone who puts their interests before the interests of the people she swore an oath to serve.

    She’s exactly who I need. She’s exactly who this country needs to help me fight… ”

    happy?

    “Us people” want to know how he makes major decisions, and since he is demonstrating he makes them on a whim, then it states he has poor judgment.

    Isn’t what the decision is more important than the “how”? If he makes the right decision but ‘how he made it’ is somehow wrong, who cares?

    Of course, maybe you think that picking Palin was the wrong decision. But if so, you need to make that case, with an actual argument, instead of this nonsense about “vetting”.

    Seriously, the more I hear the word, the less and less sure I am what the heck it’s supposed to mean. And I ask people like yourself – directly – what they think it means, and they don’t explain. This says to me that even you don’t really know what it means. It just seems like a respectable-sounding line of attack so you employ it.

  14. Julie P says:

    Yet, he can’t answer the questions about her “military experience”, yet he wants to say she has them. She fought against corruption, yet she is is plagued with her own. She says she wants to create more jobs, but she wants to put the gas pipeline through Canada giving away American jobs. She was a popular governor, but no more. What the people of Alaska think of her has more credibility than someone else’s written statement. You may be happy with it, but I am not. As an American I have the right to hear from him how he choose he her. I am not interested in his carefully prepared speeches. How he makes decisions is extremely important. Vetting is not nonsense it is how we get to know candidates; how they make important decisions, like who could replace him in the event of his death, which is highly given his age and health. Since he refuses to answer from in his own words, then I do not trust him, even you do not like that. That is my right.

  15. Yet, he can’t answer the questions about her “military experience”, yet he wants to say she has them.

    John McCain said that Sarah Palin has military experience? Link?

    As an American I have the right to hear from him how he choose he her.

    Not if you can’t articulate what you even mean by that. Again: explained already why he chose her, which is the important part. What in the heck do you mean, “how he chooses her”? What is the “how” part supposed to consist of? “How” do we choose anything? How did you choose to type this blog post? How did you choose what to eat for lunch?

    I really don’t get what you want McCain to say. Frankly, I don’t think there’s any answer McCain could possibly give that would satisfy you and say ‘ok, he’s explained’. This is one of those criticisms that isn’t supposed to be satisifed; the appeal of the criticism is that it is non-answerable. Whatever McCain were to say about ‘how he chose her’, you could always just keep saying: “Not good enough.”

    Vetting is not nonsense it is how we get to know candidates;

    It is? I have never gotten to know a candidate by means of “vetting” before. Have you? Which one? When? Tell me the last candidate you got to know via “vetting” please.

    Since he refuses to answer from in his own words, then I do not trust him, even you do not like that. That is my right.

    It is your right to make up nonsensical reasons that you can’t logically defend or articulate for dissing a candidate from the party you don’t like, yes. On that we agree. Best

  16. Julie P says:

    You cam spin your position any way you like, but I do not have to answer to you, McCain has to answer to voting Americans, he has to answer to me, and when he REFUSES to do so, and cannot answer questions, then he proves that he and Palin are not fit for office. You can make all of the personal attacks against me that you like, it is not going change the fact that McCain made a rash choice.

  17. Julie P says:

    Nice of you to skip over her sending jobs out of the country when she says wants more jobs for Americans when she trys to portray herself as pro American when she her actions speak louder than her words. Nice to skip over her approval rating being down too. The lies, spin, and deceit are despicable.

  18. What is “vetting”? I don’t think you know.

  19. Kate says:

    Hey, if she can take down a moose she can take down a hostile foreign dictator… right?

  20. SSG T says:

    Wow. Nice to see how the left “thinks” I find it very interesting that while Julie P was quick to point out that Sonic Charmer didn’t answer a question she asked. “Nice of you to skip over her sending jobs out of the country when she says wants more jobs for Americans when she trys to portray herself as pro American when she her actions speak louder than her words.” Did I miss an entry where you actually answered the question of Obama’s experience? Did I miss the part where you actually said what vetting was? Did I miss the part where you actually acknowleged that Palin was a real live Govener? I missed so much!!!! And how was Obama “vetted” (what ever that is) Did the liberal media ask the questions that they have asked of Palin? Have they blasted him for not being there for his children for the last two years? Has anyone asked him anything about his relationships? Then you said “Nice to skip over her approval rating being down too. The lies, spin, and deceit are despicable” The last time I checked Palin had and approval rate that was far higher than Obama’s. I think it was up around 85% give or take. I agree the lies and spins are sick and I am tired of hearing the same liberal lies all the time. Now you guys are actually attacking her 17 year old daughter!? Who really has a shady past? Palin? Obama? Wait I forgot Palin is running for VP and Obama is running for President!!! Now you are so desparate that you are comparing our VP choice to your Presidential pick? Right cause that makes great sense!!!! And you’re right Palin has no military experience. Except that Govener thing…..but then again Obama has never even thought about serving and neither has Biden so I guess we are left with one point McCain is the only one who actually fits YOUR EXPERIENCE mold. Now I know Biden does have some experience but he still does not have the military experience that you so desparately seek, or does he and it has never been reported or maybe he was with John Kerry on convert-ops? Sorry to say but when you look at the liberal or democratic points and actually apply some common sense ( I know you liberals might not know what that is) it just doesn’t add up. Regardless of the facts you are comparing your PRESIDENTIAL candidate with that of our VP. Oh it’s the age thing. Isn’t that discrimination?

  21. Will Rhodes says:

    They claim she has executive experience after being mayor of Wallisa, a town of 5,500 people that has stop signs with bullet holes in them. That hardly qualifies her as having executive experience.

    I don’t know about that, but I heard that after being the mayor of that town, she went on to a different public office of some sort. What was it? I can’t remember. Let me think.

    When she left that office to take up governorship – she left the town in debt.

    Luckily, we have two major-party candidates running for President with military management experience galore: John McCain and Bar…….

    Oh. Wait. Never mind.

    John McCain flew planes crashed several and was captured. He was in prison for 5 1/5 years – oh so bold of him to tell the American people. Did you hear he was a POW?

    Her lack of experience in what is “less than Obama’s”? In being a chief executive? No. Obama has never held any executive office.

    Then the ticket should be Palin/McCain – John McCain has no executive experience, either.

    Enlighten me, what does “vet properly” mean? Explain the concept of “vetting” to me. What is the exact process that McCain should have gone through for this “vetting”. Since you’re the expert on what is and is not “vetting”.

    Do you just like arguing or is it that you are a bit dim?

    Everyone knows, including you, that the vetting process was not done on miss Alaska – your points thus far don’t make any real sense, but I will bare with you.

    Palin is somehow invalid as a VP candidate. Got it.

    Got it and agree!

    How’s he supposed to answer a question like “how he picked” her? The premise of the question is leading and presumptuous, implying that there was something wrong with Sarah Palin that requires defending the choice. If McCain isn’t answering this question he’s smart not to; it’s a trap.

    A trap for what? I see that your stance turns once you believe that you have made your point. You obviously think there is something wrong with miss Alaska or you wouldn’t intimate that something is a “trap” – now, what trap would that be? With that statement you have invalidated every point you have made so far, now which is?

    Sonic – as you are an argumentative imbecile and can’t look through a simple search engine like Google I did it for you – I suggest you, with you friend and ultimate POW-man – go to computer classes to learn how to use a search engine – as you are a bit simple I will use Wikipedia – now, click the link and read:

    Vetting –

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vetting

    Please call back sometime – but this time bring a valid argument to the discussion.

    Thanks “My Friend”.

  22. Will Rhodes says:

    Kate –

    As dear Cindy says – she has international and military experience because she lived next door to Russia – c’mon – the woman is perfect for the job!

    Palin/McCain! 08

    Oh….wait…….

  23. Julie P says:

    “Oh it’s the age thing. Isn’t that discrimination?”

    Given that my father and McCain are nearly the same age, it is not discrimination it is the hard truth that they are near the end of their days.

    “Now you are so desparate that you are comparing our VP choice to your Presidential pick?”

    The Republicans have been extremely critical of his Obama’s experience, yet they put a candidate on the ticket with little experience who is a heartbeat away from the presidency. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

  24. SSG T says:

    Well I guess your dear old dad should be put out to pasture. Right along with the rest of anyone older than Obama. Have you informed your father that he is near death? And yes counting a person out based on age is disrimination. There is no hypocracy! John McCain is running for President as is Obama. Palin is running for VP as is Biden. How and why would you compare the President to the VP? The entire purpose of the VP is BALANCE the ticket. Which is exactly why the Dems. wetn with Biden. He fills in where Obama is lacking (which is soooooo many areas) just as Palin does for McCain. Nice of you to skip every point that you cannot counter. Let’s all face facts. The two tickets are balanced and the candidates chose the respective person to fill in for their short comings. The only difference is that McCain had to pick some new blood and Obama had to pick old blood. Same thing but reverse order. And our ticket does not have the experience last.

    Will

    Since I am just some gun packing, bible clinging, conservative, I used YOUR reference for vetting. It is nothing more than a background check. That has been completed as the actual investigators stated. Did Obama? Please respect what John McCain and the rest of us did for this country. Very few people have paid the price that McCain has. I guess it is still true that “FREEDOM HAS A PRICE THE PROTECTED SHALL NEVER KNOW” I respect all and their thoughts and theories but my brothers in arms and I have faught and died for this country not so you can insult us for it. That is uncalled for. I have held the hands of men taking the final breath and seen a mothers tears for the son who did not return. I have witnessed the atraucities of war and can tell you that you have no clue what John McCain went through nor hsould you blast him for it. Just to clarify he did serve in the military, as an officer, which if you didn’t know is a leader.

  25. Will Rhodes

    Then the ticket should be Palin/McCain – John McCain has no executive experience, either.

    You must have misunderstood. I’m not the one genuinely claiming that only people with this or that kind of “experience” are allowed to be VP or P. I was simply rebutting the factually incorrect, unsupported assertion that her experience is “less than Obama’s”. Your response here is beside the point.


    Everyone knows, including you, that the vetting process was not done on miss Alaska

    I know no such thing and neither do you. Knowing that “the vetting process” “was not done” would require having an actual, precise definition of what “the vetting process” is, and you do not.

    Do you? If so, please outline it. Complete the sentence “The vetting process consists of doing ____, ____, … ,___, and ___.” Then explain to me which steps in this process were not done, and how you know that. If you succeed in doing that, finally, go ahead and explain how you came up with (your notion of) what “the vetting process” supposedly is – i.e., prove that you did just make it up out of thin air.

    You obviously think there is something wrong with miss Alaska or you wouldn’t intimate that something is a “trap” – now, what trap would that be?

    The trap of implying based on no substantive facts that Palin is unqualified by trying to force McCain to go into great detail about “how he picked her” as if that needs defending (which it does not, but the media and the left desperately want to paint the impression that it does). Obama hasn’t been asked in humongous detail “how” he picked Biden, Kerry wasn’t asked “how” he picked Edwards, etc. Suddenly McCain is required to answer this, however? This is an obviously biased and loaded attempt to put McCain on the defensive, which he need not be.

    [Wiki definition]

    The Wiki definition says: “Specifically, vetting often refers to performing a background check on someone before offering them employment.”

    Please cite your reasons for asserting that this was not done re: Palin.

    There is a section below that also says: “Prospective vice-presidential candidates must undergo thorough evaluation by a team of advisers acting on behalf of the nominee.[1] In later stages of the vetting process, the team will examine such items as a prospective vice-presidential candidate’s finances, personal conduct, and previous coverage in the media.[1]”

    That section is nonsense. There no rule that says prospective vice-presidential candidates “must” undergo such an examination. (Where is this rule written? Which part of the Constitution?) It may be an exceedingly good idea but where do they come up with “must”?

    The only reference is to a news article about Bill Richardson, wherein he tried to defend himself against charges of bad behavior toward women by claiming that he had been “vetted” in 2004 and therefore was ok. Which s hilarious by itself – I hadn’t heard about that scandal, so hearing about it and his ludicrous defense almost makes this discussion worth it.

    So, I don’t know if the person who edited that Wiki page in 2007 is some sort of Bill Richardson flunky who was trying to bolster his lame case, or what, but that section of the article is nonsense as a result.

    I’m all for vetting in a generic sense (where “vetting” just means: “checking a person out”. duh) but this constant refrain from laypeople griping about how she “wasn’t vetted” gives the impression that there’s some sort of specific, well-defined, legal process called “vetting” that we can check against in order to determine who was and wasn’t “vetted”. This just isn’t true.

    Evidently McCain checked out Palin to his satisfaction. Therefore he asked her to be his running mate. This is just fine and perfectly consistent with how things are done. If you have a problem with Palin on something of substance, explain why and back it up. But this passive-aggressive “vetting” meme is beyond silly.

  26. Will Rhodes says:

    Sonic –

    if you wish to play pseudo-intellectual, please feel free to do so. Carry on with your masquerade, all is fine with me.

    I would refer you, if you should have the time – as I do not, but the answers to all your questions are, with quite a lot of consumptive back up, available here and here.

  27. Will Rhodes says:

    SSG T –

    Without going through all my history again – I haven’t disparaged John McCain’s military history, what is wearing thin for both myself and millions of others is that his sole claim to the presidency is that he was a POW.

    Again – I say that must have been horrific for him, blah, blah, blah – not repeating myself – I find it tedious.

    Your view, if I have it correct – is that he was a leader in the USAF? (Or whichever branch he was in).

    I disagree with you 100%. Leaders in an armed situation are not necessarily the best leaders in civilian life.

    Run me through what,say, Fred Thompson did in the army, or Guiliani, Huckabee, Ron Paul? Mitt Romney!? No? Oh!

    McCain knows feck all, he admits this, about the US economy or economics. I would say quite a few other things as well, but it all there for you to read if you so wish.

    You holding the hands of dying comrades – I commend you for it, as I do every single person in uniform – I always have by the way. Running the US is not having the ability of pressing a button to drop a bomb with the aid of technology onto your enemy – we have great men and women who are trained for such purposes – oh wait…that will mean that every POW, every man and woman who have served are, by your reckoning perfectly capable of being the US president.

    Now I understand.

  28. SSG T says:

    I just love the twists and turns that are being placed where needed to make a point that is in fact false. No one ever said that being a leader in the military made a person a great leader in civilian life. You claimed that he had NO leadership experience, to which I corrected you and said that he was a leader, in the Navy, just as all military officers are. The fact that he stayed in a POW camp by choice with his men after being given the chance to leave speaks volumes about him. Maybe you can’t understand this. Is he the best leader in civilian life? I don’t know and neither do you! He is more in line with my views of right and wrong as is Palin. Joe Biden…..who knows. I know that he has made multiple statements as to the qualifications of McCain and theh lack of for Obama. Even going as far as saying that he would be honored to run as McCain’s VP! This says one of two things 1. McCain is much more qualified than Obama and the Democrats know it or 2. He is happy running with whoever will advance his own political career. Either way, it doesn’t look good. My issue with Obama is past and present. He refused to see disabled Vets without a camera crew (media hound) He has a very, very questionable past with little to no experience at anything except back door deals with shady criminals. Just so you know, there is no magic button unless you are talking about nukes. When the big bombs come in there is a soldier on the ground telling it where to go. John McCain may not be the absolute end all be all everything (relax Obama isn’t even close) but he at least has the common sense to know that he doesn’t know and he has admitted that he doesn’t and followed that with statements of how he would listen to the Generals on the ground in Iraq or where ever and make his decision base on that information. Obama is so arrogant that he thinks he knows the best choices to make right now regardless of what anyone else says, then after being slammed for it and when it becomes politically correct does he change his mind. Not sure but that doesn’t sound like a great leader.

    As far as the POW comments. Why not just leave it alone? I will agree that people are talking and using it but I am pretty sure that it is no different than John Kerry with his medals and three bogus purple hearts and him only serving six months of a twelve month tour but he must have gotten out early for all the “covert ops” that he did that everyone from the top down says he was never on! I guess the comparitive for Obama is the fact that he turned down Wall ST. to “help the people” as a community organizer. Please. All he did was make a ton of money in crocked deals with criminals! BUT All we hear is that he was a community organizer. Same thing except for the fact that one of those is at least honorable.

  29. I’ve asked about a jillion straightforward times for people to outline what they think “the vetting process” is that McCain “didn’t do”. Will Rhodes is only the latest to ignore my request.

    Thus further buttressing my point that the “didn’t vet” people don’t actually know what “vetting” is. They just like claiming that McCain didn’t do it. Whatever it is.

  30. pp says:

    Sonic Charmer – you are seriously lacking in charm! This is boringingly tedious. A lot of this is opinion – & if some people are of the opinion that McCain APPEARS to have done a very hasty vetting, then that is their opinion. They do not have to prove it to you, or get it approved by you!

  31. pp says:

    To help you out SC – as simply as possible, vetting is checking!!!! And depending on each situation and the demands of the situation, the vetting process would differ. I doubt there is a set-in-stone list of vetting rules anywhere! Being so pedantic, maybe you should come up with one yourself!
    Regardless, the vetting/checking of Sarah Palin should have been, surely, to check her suitability for the position of VP, and thorough enough to do justice to the seriousness of the position.
    Without any reassurance from McCain about this process, then people are bound to feel it was too quick because she was unkown to so many, if not to McCain himself. If he has no doubts himself, then he should come right out and let people know more about the process he did follow, & it would become a non-issue. But, if he doesn’t clarify this, then for some, it will continue to remain an issue. Just my opinion!

  32. SSG T says:

    I guess they mean the same way Obama’s suitability for President was checked and the media dug into it to find bits and pieces of information and the same way……..Oh wait no I guess not. I don’t recall anyone asking for proof except the ones asking about the vetting process in regards to Palin. Why is it that there isn’t one person on this thing that will actually admit that BOTH of the candidates on BOTH tickets have weaknesses and strengthes? I happen to think that McCain has less of them and more good qualities than Obama. Everyone keeps babbling about experince but let’s be honest…..The ONLY person who have any good experience would be a former Vice President. No one else has a cluee as to what is needed in that role unless you have held that role. COMMON SENSE USE IT!!!!!!!!!! Our voting process has become a popularity contest where we, the people, are simply selecting the lesser of two evils.

  33. pp.


    A lot of this is opinion –

    That’s actually my point! That this didn’t-vet criticsm is just ‘opinion’, i.e. subjective, rather than being some sort of objective fact.


    if some people are of the opinion that McCain APPEARS to have done a very hasty vetting,

    ‘very hasty’ is not what they are saying, they are saying ‘no’. Because after all what force would the lame criticism ‘McCain did a hasty vetting’ carry? So he did a hasty vetting, big deal. So instead they say he ‘didn’t vet’ her, and I point out that he did, but that begs the question of what ‘vetting’ is.

    They do not have to prove it to you, or get it approved by you!

    You’re right, not unless they want their criticism to carry objective weight.

    To help you out SC – as simply as possible, vetting is checking!!!!

    Thank you. So vetting is checking. And I claim that McCain & co. checked Sarah Palin. Case closed.

    If you DISAGREE that he checked Sarah Palin, feel free to cite evidence that he ‘didn’t check’ her. Failing that, conversation over.

    I doubt there is a set-in-stone list of vetting rules anywhere!

    Bingo. So where does that leave the criticism? He vetted her as much as he wanted to vet her, no more no less. What is there to criticize?

    Regardless, the vetting/checking of Sarah Palin should have been, surely, to check her suitability for the position of VP,

    Define ‘suitability’. Evidently McCain thinks she is ‘suitable’ else he would not have asked her. Therefore, McCain passes this test.

    and thorough enough to do justice to the seriousness of the position.

    And how thorough should that be exactly? How can an objective observer determine whether it was ‘thorough enough’?

    Suppose I claim that his ‘vetting’ was ‘thorough enough’. Can you disprove me? How?

    Without any reassurance from McCain about this process

    What do you mean? McCain says he vetted her. The problem seems to be your refusal to believe him. Why do you refuse to believe him?

    people are bound to feel it was too quick because she was unkown to so many, if not to McCain himself.

    Aha. So it’s ‘because she was unknown to many’ that they question whether she was ‘vetted’? But the fact that people didn’t know her is a property of those people, not of Palin or McCain. Personally I had heard of Sarah Palin before.

    If he has no doubts himself, then he should come right out and let people know more about the process he did follow

    He HAS come right out and said: I vetted her.

    As for the “process”, argh, again, what is he supposed to say? This question (‘come forward and explain the process’) is just bait. If I were him I wouldn’t dignify it.

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